SkeltonKid (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Ignorant twat, shut the fuck up.

SkeltonKid (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

There's a difference between a scene and a sub-culture, dumbass. a scene is a collection of very similar people who have very similar tastes, whereas a culture or sub-culture is made up of people who have a few things in common, but have varying tastes and ideologies.

quaznXII (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

ian curtis was not a fucking goth you fucking foo'. he wasn't even close. goths have taken a cue from him musically, but he was not one of them. they've also been influenced by jim morrison and david bowie but you wouldn't call them goth, would you? this is an iggy pop song, he's not a goth, is he?

quaznXII (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

...wow - someone belonging to any scene is not a free-thinker.

liquidsky9 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

i love that........that is just plain good thinking.

SkeltonKid (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Heh heh. I have tried to explain this to my non-goth friends, who think that there is only one type of goth culture. The only thing unifying the culture is a love of the darker side of life and a philosophy of open-mindedness and free-thinking, I guess.

exeuroweenie (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

It's beyond me why they were ever pigeonholed as either punk or goth.They were never that one dimensional to me,e.g. not consistently mopey enough for goth or angry enough for punk.Their having been more complex than that is the reason I still listen to them.

str8ngthofh3rc (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Trying to explain "Goth" is like trying to explain the concept of colours to a blind man. FYI, wearing certain clothes only pretains to the punk mentality, no goth. Ian Curtis was a goth. Wrap your heads around that one.

Onlydreamin1959 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

This gets so confusing although your expalanation makes sense. So at one point I was punk, I like a lot what might be considered "goth" songs, and I've ordered all the boxed DVD sets of Dark Shadows. And I mostly wear black. But I'm not goth or even punk, now. However, I completely understand what you're saying having been there in a previous generation. When i was punk it was definately a lifestyle. Have a blast and enjoy your identity.

MorganScorpion (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Before the word "Goth" was coined to describe people who wore lots of black and went to Banshees, Bauhaus and Cure concerts. The people who did all these things were called "punks", or "New Romantics", if they happened to have frilly shirts on as well. The name was coined, and then applied retroactively, not by Goths, but by media people who didn't know what else to call us. Many of us liked old horror movies, maybe thats why.