mankstergangster (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

the notion of perpetual machines being impossible has already been refuted.

Leftwings22 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Great video.

Timmer714 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

First law of thermodynamics: No perpetual motion machines. It takes energy to break water into its constituents, and because we live in the real world we can never get all that energy back through combustion. So by running this off the alternator, you're just putting more load on the engine which the hydrogen can't make up. Simple terms: You lose MORE power than without it. Gas savings come from running the engine too lean, which is very very harmful to the engine. It's a scam. My condolences.

whodares2000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

When you install a new battery, it is already charged, otherwise the car won't start! Somehow you have to store some Hydrogen in a chamber for every time you start the car (it does start using Hydrogen only according to Mythbusters. I think the key challenge would be how to store the Hydrogen and retrieve it, and how to produce it efficiently for the car. Adding starch might help according to recent research in Berkely.

blahvidblah (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

KRex09 it's not short-circuiting the battery. it is however creating a circuit for the production of oxygen and hydrogen via electrolysis. no it will not hurt your system if you know what you are doing. volts*amps=watts so always remember your equations when sucking power out of your system. I am sure many guys think that the 1000W sub-woofer in the back of their car doesn't take any energy to run either! every single electrical system is robbing power from your drive-train. no free lunch!

blahvidblah (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

of course you can recharge the battery; so where will you get the energy for that? at the moment you recharge a battery in car/truck from burning fuel (gas/diesel) and sending some of the energy to the alternator which acts like an electric motor in reverse; ie takes power out of the system. a very fine balance between fuel efficiency and electrolysis is possible but not the claims of most. Key is effecting greater fuel oxidation in combustion process; hydrogen is proven to work when injected.

whodares2000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

can't you recharge the battery? You know have something like the alternator in your car to recharge the battery? Battery converts H2O to HHO then engine recharge battery. Camp by a lake ;) I agree, it might not be feasible, but I also believe big oil companies have something to do with it. Man, Ford makes a diesel powered Car that get 65mpg and never market it in the US? This sounds suspicious. There are European cars such as the BMW diesel that are not imported to the US (gets about 50mpg!).

blahvidblah (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

So you think hydrogen stored in water is available with the pull of a trigger? Your analogy needs alot of work to make it feasible! study some basic thermodynamic principles about the process of electrolysis. Simple: buy a gasoline powered generator, build an electrolysis unit and make the gen run on the HHO produced... can't, no-one has or will. The battery producing the electricity to create the HHO will be your "fuel" as hydrogen is just carrier of the stored energy of battery... make sense?

josacra (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Daniel Dingel does.

josacra (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I don't understand the science of you can't get higher power than you put in. I will use my finger to pull a trigger to fire a bullet. I think that's the best example of puting in less power to produce more power. It's stored energy we are talking about here. Electrolysis is the trigger to separate and be able to burn the atomic power of hydrogen from water. It was done and being done. I believe and I have seen it. It's a 17th century technology. Welcome to 21st century.